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    been working on a fairly inexpensive or free SSL solution for a website/app for a while now.
    finally came up with Rapid SSL. https://www.rapidssl.com and got 3 year for 39.00 and they installed it for 30.00 more which save me a lot of time, I usually mess it up.
    there is also some information on the site about different levels of SSL including EVSSL which gets the Green lock. I did not need that though.
    It is worth a visit to the site just to learn about ssl, if not very well versed on it like me.

    Several people in our skype group are now using this.
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    Default Re: ssl and costs

    SSLs.com has certificates as low as $4.99/year. And if you are hosting on AWS, Amazon will give you certificates for free.

    With HTTPS becoming required for more and more functionality as each browser update comes out, the prices for certificates should no longer be a barrier to using HTTPS and HSTS exclusively on all sites.

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    I am using Let's Encrypt . You get SSL (free) using server script automatically max period is 90 days, then cronjob and new 90 days certificate. This all works without problems but is for Linux. But there is also this project for Let't Encrypt for windows but I have not tested it.

    If you are using classic Alpha server then Abyss X2 server is good choice for reverse proxy. You install SSL to Abyss . Abyss can handle dual hosts(http + https) and Abyss X2 also SNI (use multiple SSL certificates in Abyss with one IP address ). Abyss works also with Alpha v11.

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    I disagree. cost does matter with over 30 of my own websites/webapps running and maintaining 60+ others.
    Even at 30.00 per year, it starts to add up. So I look for price along with ease and quality.
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    Someday in the future, ssl will be close to free or free. May be a year or more though
    I just looked at aws and compared to one my small apps, 296.00 per month? does not seem right. and that is on Linux. Yes, they can afford to supply a free ssl certificate.

    I supply hosting to a number of clients, many of which have been on yahoo, aws, godaddy and others so mostly know what the real charges and bills come to.
    I have one that is on my 300.00 per year plan that thinks it is cheap. He left another that was almost that per month.
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    In one of my apps I am using Hetzner Web hosting Level 1 Linux (no MySQL but SQLite yes). Price is about 1,8 dollars per month and free Symantec Basic SSL Certificate included.
    Works well and performance is great.

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    Just ordered and installed an ssl from slss.com last night - went very smooth. This was not for my alpha application but another somewhat static site I own that is pretty much a static site hosted by Godaddy with a Cpanel deluxe hosting account. I currently pay way more for a ssl from godaddy at $69/ 2 yr - ssl was about 15 dollars for a 3 yr so that is extremely affordable. Since this is an established site that ranks very well with Google, I setup a 301 redirect with a htaccess change.

    Overall I give ssl.com a A+ and wanted to thank Alpha (Lenny) for making the post!!! I appreciate it - everything went very smooth.
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    I needed ssl for a password app and site., so is critical.
    I use paypal for payments , so they handle that part. It I added something like "stripe" as a gateway, ssl would have to be there as well.
    I supply ssl for some of my clients for a fee as part of their hosting plans and if I had enough needing it, I could get some real deals on ssl.
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    Default Re: ssl and costs

    HTTPS is for far more than submitting payment information, for a wide variety of reasons. As you browse around the web, keep an eye on your browser's address bar and you will find that more and more sites use HTTPS exclusively, including alphasoftware.com.

    This video explains many of the reasons very well, and debunks common myths that often prevent web site owners/administrators from implementing HTTPS. It is a bit long, but well worth the investment in time so I recommend not skipping ahead through it.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/e6DUrH56g14

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    You are correct Lenny
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    Well, Google is pushing everyone that way even offering better rankings (all things being equal) to the https website. There is considerable evidence that this is true in the SEO world of war. If you have an existing site, I would recommend a 301 redirect so as not to lose your rankings with the website being considered a "new" website when changing from http to https
    I personally saw 5 of my URLs jump to a first-page listing on the same search making no other change than to implement SSL so there must be something to it as I doubt THAT was a coincidence.

    For all the technical reasons out there I can say that I believe that all businesses that are trying to EARN trust with new customers, that green SECURE site in the address bar make people feel like they are at a "real" business. I know when I see a website with that I give it a bit more credence over one that doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesParker View Post
    For all the technical reasons out there I can say that I believe that all businesses that are trying to EARN trust with new customers, that green SECURE site in the address bar make people feel like they are at a "real" business. I know when I see a website with that I give it a bit more credence over one that doesn't.
    I think there USED TO be two level purpose of SSL certificate. One was to secure data and other to make customer belive they act with right company. But not anymore. Majority are moving to domain level cerificates because we all know that green does not infact mean anything. As a customer you anyway have to know the right hostname to be sure.

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    Charles,
    similar google results here
    the green(EV SSL) just means the site ownership was verified, but that really means nothing. That verified owner could be in jail, terrorist or..
    My ssl installed covers all needed and since I use Joomla for front end, it also has a switch to use the ssl sitewide so logins, and password entries and lookups are covered as well as purchases. also, there is another domain name for the site and it is also covered.
    For SEO, having a page or group on Facebook is also a plus. Must be same name as you use for the site. My Passwords is the website name and FB is also MY Passwords for the page.
    Called tying it all together.
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    Majority are moving to domain level cerificates because we all know that green does not infact mean anything
    I'm going to respectfully disagree because WE might know a thing or two about a thing or two but the solid fact remains that the general public eats it up like fast food to a homeless person - it's ON.
    Going one step more I think the green means SOMETHING - when it comes to a local business, I think it means a lot! On the other hand should I add an ssl to www.adultsheepfinder.us? Personally, I don't think it will make a difference, lol and yes I do own that - it's a parody site I thought would be a hoot to do.
    Now, on the other hand - www.parkerwildlifecontrol.com which is my personal business (besides NWCOPRO software) benefits greatly from an SSL as a local business. My point was only to say that the SSL was cheap and easy to obtain, and at the same time positively influenced the rankings of my business.
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    Default Re: ssl and costs

    I am using lets encrypt for my AA server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCarroll View Post
    I am using lets encrypt for my AA server.
    Great!

    Free is cheaper.

    Which ACME client do you use? Do you know does it support sub domains and auto renew lets encrypt.

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    Oddity noted:
    Ms browsers do not always show the lock in green, but chrome and FireFox does.
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    I suppose this happens when showing same url. If so then Chrome and fireFox blocks non-ssl content but Ms shows it.

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    Tested that just now on 2 non-ssl sites. chrome went right on in and so did FF
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    Good to know.

    But if url starting with https:// has also http links in content then Chrome and FireFoxs blocks http content but Ms shows also http content and https content in that page.

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    set 301 permanent redirect, but tested site were started with https and one has no http: associated with it

    The whole site is https: not just parts of it. That is a joomls site and how joomla works
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    lets encrypt https://letsencrypt.org/ may work fine on alpha site, depending on the host. It does not work on namecheap and is a paint to clear off the site if it does not work.
    Many hosts are now supplying it for free, Some give you a free ssl, but for the first year and then you have to pay for it.
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    works well

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